Comments on: Does God Hate Sinners?

By: cyde

cyde — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:03:32 +0000

All the same, it’s confusing.

By: Ann

Ann — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:35:57 +0000

Jason – your response made a lot of sense to me, but it is still confusing. When you say that you love Jews but hate the holocaust, and you love babies but hate abortion. I don’t think that is an accurate example. I think you would need to restate it to say that you love Jews, but hate Hitler. You love babies, so hate the mothers who abort them. That is the point. You were saying you love the people but hate the crime (sin) and the question is the sinner. You have shed some light for me though. I’m still studying this but what I think I am coming to see is that God loves the believers, even when they sin, although he hates the sin. He is patient with them. But he hates the sinners, those who have not come to know him. Thanks!

By: Jason Jacobs

Jason Jacobs — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:16:59 +0000

**correction**

God **will** be throwing the sinner into hell…

By: Jason Jacobs

Jason Jacobs — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:15:15 +0000

I’m researching the question, “Does God hate sinners?”, and I came across your site. Here is what I’ve concluded after much research time.

God not only hates sin, He also hates sinners.

That is a sobering fact. God is so holy and righteous that He hates the sinner (Psalm 5:5; Lev. 20:23; Prov. 6:16-19; Hos. 9:15). Some say that we should say that God only hates the sin but loves the sinner. But, the above scriptures speak contrary to that. God won’t be throwing the sinner into hell, not the sin. You cannot punish sin.

But it is also true (and we must never forget) that God IS love (1 John 4:8). But I tell you, if God is love, then God must also hate. I love the Jews therefore I must hate the holocaust. I love babies, therefore I must hate abortion. God is righteous, therefore He must hate that which is unrighteous. God hates the sinner.

Here is the real quandary. How can we logically say that God hates sinners when Scripture seems to say that “God so loved the world” and that “God desires that all men should come to repentance”? God hates sinners, but God loves sinners?!? How confusing! That would be a contradiction, would it not?

The golden answer is this:

**God hates all sinners who are not part of the elect.**

That’s the only way that Scripture will not contradict itself. The only sinners whom God loves are those sinners whom He has elected unto salvation – those whom He loved from the foundations of the earth. “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated”. It makes theological sense!

And, by the way, 2 Peter 3:9 absolutely IS speaking to believers. Look at the context. Also, see where Peter says “He is patient with YOU.” God is sovereign. God gets what He wants. God WILL save all the ones He desires to save. Is there anything that God wants that He will not get? NO! God always gets His way. 2 Peter is speaking to the elect about the elect.

Also, John 3:16 is also speaking about the “believing ones” or the “ones who believe” i.e. the elect – NOT the entire world. Christ did not die for every single soul. Otherwise, you have a double punishment – Christ punished for the sins of the unbelievers PLUS the unbelievers punished for their sins. Christ died for the elect only – the ones given to Him by the Father.

It is true that God commands all men everywhere repent, but they are unable. They won’t repent and they can’t repent because they are radically depraved, born into sin, dead in their sins and transgressions, hating God. They will not respond to the call because they cannot respond to the call – and God will be justified in casting them into hell. God does ALL things for His glory.

Let’s spread the Gospel far and wide and do our part to reach the elect!

Thanks for listening.

Jason

By: clifgriffin

clifgriffin — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:39:33 +0000

Amir,
I’m not sure who you’re directing your remarks to.

I deleted the comment above yours as it was basically Christian spam and did not contribute to this discussion.

I will assume you were talking to him?

Clif

By: Amir

Amir — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:52:11 +0000

Where do you all get this? Bring your proof for what you say!
The words of Jesus, no one else words, not Paul, Mathew, Luke, or John! They never met him, saw him nor, even heard his voice!

You make things up and then, lead other astray!
Be brave and go open up your book and study it!
Stop listening to other and study for your self!
And when I say study ,that what I mean, look up time lines, people
places, language. Can you do that? Don’t make up things that you have
no authority from God to do!

By: clifgriffin

clifgriffin — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:36:02 +0000

Hi David,
I would actually agree with 95% of what you said.

However, I would disagree that there is a logical requirement for God to hate those He sends to hell. That is only a requirement if we are ascribing human traits to God.

We are created in His image. Elect or not, sinner or justified, God does not hate his creation. He does not hate our souls which are made in His image.

He may hate the result…the person our sin makes us, but I do not see sufficient biblical justification to say it any more strongly than that.

I also would disagree with your conclusion about faith. The bible is extremely clear in teaching that faith is the means by which we receive salvation. Even Piper says that faith is enabled by regeneration. He wouldn’t say that faith is unnecessary.

I sound like a full reformed Calvinist in this comment. But, I would say that I am neither fully reformed or a Calvinist for various reasons.

But, for the most part, I have minor reservations and I will admit that part of it is just wanting to avoid the labels.

Thanks for commenting,
Clifton

By: David H

David H — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:49:57 +0000

no. God hates sinners, He does NOT hate believers, that is nowhere in scripture. and verses liek john 3:16?? look up such unpopular doctrines such as limited atonement and it will all make sense considering Jesus died only for the elect, NOT for the unelect. it all comes down to logic basically. Jesus elected some to be saved, and died only for them. He didn’t die for those that weren’t elect and would not be saved;that is a logical contradiction and Jesus CHRIST would not shed His high, most holy blood and bear the WRATH OF GOD if it would have had no effect. if Jesus Christ said ‘it is finished’ and yet it requires someone’s faith to make it valid, then what does that say?
God bless you my friend.